Friday, April 13, 2007

Shallow Hal (Mr. Wall Street)


A friend of mine told me about a conversation she had with a Wall Street guy and his three friends. Until recently, I worked in finance (brokerage sales and operations to be exact) so I know this type of cat, I really do, and that's probably one of the reasons I haven't diversified my dating portfolio all these years. Anyway, without further ado, here's the story of Mr. Wall Street, courtesy of my friend:

I went out to dinner and drinks with a friend. He is a Wall Street, well-to-do brother who is about 31 years old. In a very a typical female/male conversation we discussed what black men/women want. So here is what a black man looks for according to him and three of his friends. I spoke with few more guys and they all seem to concur with this point of view:

In looking for a serious relationship, they won’t consider women past the age of 27-28 . Women have a biological and a social clock. Women who are single past the age of 28 are rushing towards marriage and always have a motive in a relationship. Instead of just seeing where things go and having fun, they have a more calculated approach to dating because they're under a time crunch.

The men's logic is that they want to date the women they want to marry for at least few years, get engaged, enjoy married life, and then have kids - thus women under the age of 28 are the best for that. Ironically, there is validation to what they are saying, I have heard quite a few women say “my clock is ticking and I want to have kids before 32…etc and they are 30” which is really confirming that notion that women are putting the restrictions.

Next, he's slept with between 80-100 women. He is 31, he begun dating at 14. The numbers increased by double digits in college and on trips out of the country. But what is astonishing is that right now the number is increasing by an average of 1 girl a weekend. He says most of his friends go out on Thursday/Friday night meet someone and by their second date on the next weekend they have rolled around the sheets few times. And at the rate of one woman a weekend this number is going to increase by almost 30-40 women a year.

In addition to automatically excluding women over 28, women with a past of 10 or more of men is not WIFE material.

So lemme get this straight: this dude has dipped his member into 80+ women, some of whom were conquests outside of the country and could have some unmentionable disease and HE won't consider a woman who's had more than 10 partners? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaa.

1. What makes him think a woman with less than 10 partners would wanna date him? I dunno about the next chick, but I like to be a little more discerning in my partner choices. A dude that has slept with so many women isn't putting his rancid penis anywhere near me, let alone become my husband. Also, it's kinda obvious that dude's criteria is a bit lax...if he's consistently meeting chicks who'll sleep with him on the first date, then maybe he should up his standards a little bit. I'm just saying.

2. This dude has had many women, but knows nothing about them. I was 21 once, and I used to date dudes in their 30's. Y'know why I stopped? 'Cause they were all looking to get married and settle down, when I was just trying to have a good time. Mr. Wall Street is saying that only women under 28 are marriage potential, but who's to say they'll wanna give up their freedom and youth and marry him? On the other hand I have friends who are 31 - 37 who are not ready for children. Matter of fact, one of them was just joking to me the other day that she thinks her biological clock is broken. Bottom line, women are different. Not every chick over 28 wants to be saddled with a kid and a husband, and not every woman 21-26 just wants to date casually.

3. Don't do us any favors. I hate when guys make it seem like they're doing women a favor when they date females over 30. Trust me, what you're not handling someone else is, so don't you worry. I can't think of a friend of mine over 30 who has problems getting dates with good men - but then again they're all drop dead gorgeous with great personalities, so I suppose that helps. LOL. Ironically, I have more trouble getting dates than my 30+ friends, so age apparently has nothing to do with it.

4. On behalf of 28+ women everywhere (and grown men), thank you Mr. Wall Street! You're proof that success and good looks does not a good catch make, and have done us a wonderful service by removing yourself from our dating pool. Please continue to play in the shallow pool with the youngins. Leave us grown folk here in the deep end.

Fixed income securities it is!

(Edit: we talked about numbers and such before in The Hoe: Not Your Average Tool in case anyone wants to check it out)


17 Comments:

At April 13, 2007 1:20 PM, Blogger Say Yeah said...

Only thing is the Wallstreet dude isn't going to tell any potential dates or wives that he's been with 80+ and counting (Damn, he's going to give McDonalds a run for their money)

He's a classic example of someone who has let their success go to their head and uses that as an excuse to do whatever he wants (i.e. act selfishly with reckless abandon), turning the good girls bad and ruining them for the next man.

You know what kind of woman he really wants to marry since he's made it?

you guessed it, like Kanye says "...But when you get on he leave yo a** for a white girl!
.... Get down girl, go headn get down..."

 
At April 13, 2007 1:29 PM, Blogger SimplEnigma said...

Y'know what? I'm glad you said all of that as a black man, cos if I woulda said it, I'd have just been a bitter, jaded woman who's just mad because I'm not in the group he chooses to date. LOL.

I'm not even gonna comment on the whole white girl thing, because at this point in my life with so many failed dates under my belt, I'm open to exploring other races (Collie Buddz, call me! LOL). The thing that scares me most is the fact that he probably won't tell his wife that he's been with so many women. Egads.

We talked about this same topic a while back here.

 
At April 13, 2007 2:27 PM, Blogger Crankyputz said...

Sigh In Canada we call them Bay Street men, and they all hang out at Shmooze on Friday nights, and wear suspenders to stand out.

Loved Say Yeah's Comment....

 
At April 13, 2007 3:24 PM, Blogger Say Yeah said...

Nothing wrong with dating white women... (momma, please forgive me) but it's your whole point behind it. If its for a trophy wife, or as Francis Cress-Welsing puts it, to upgrade your status from boy to man, than you're off base. Hey, I'd say marry for money over love, before trying to marry to gain equal social status with 'The man.'
But I might've gone too far off of the deep end to be felt on that one.

BTW, what kind of (childhood) issues does this guy have, to be aspiring for female conquest in the triple digits? I mean I thought I was bad with my double digit number, but COT TANG!

 
At April 13, 2007 8:53 PM, Blogger Lola Gets said...

Yet another "accomplished" Black man with an overwhelming sense of "entitlement." Negro please, you aint that special.
L

 
At April 14, 2007 1:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In dude's defense, I don't believe he said all women above 28 were rushing into marriage and even if he had uttered those precise words, I'm sure he's smart enough to know there are exceptions to all rules. So I doubt that is the precise interpretation of what he was saying.

Furthermore, he has simply set a standard of the women he wants to seriously consider and has appropriately rationalized it based on his personal needs/wants. NOTHING'S wrong with that. If you can exclude chubby dreads, then it's only fair that Mr. Wallstreet can exclude 28+.

And you ask whether these women would want to be with him. Clearly they do. If he's sleeping with 1 per weekend, I'd say that's supportive data of that point. And if they do not, and just want a fling, then there's no foul no harm--fair trade.

I also have to disagree with SAY YEAH. I think the women are the ones who have allowed HIS success to get to THEIR heads and betwix their legs, evidently. What has gotten to his head is the conquests. He has WAAAY TOO MANY OPTIONS and he knows it. That's why he's able to set a 3-year age window.

The only problem I see is the double standard he has in terms of number of partners. Even here, we know people always lie about this anyways so you can basically call that a wash. Beyond that, I think he's on-point and completely entitled to the standard he's set.

Enigma, you do sound an incy wincy bit jaded in this one.

 
At April 14, 2007 10:24 AM, Blogger The Comedy of Errors Called Me said...

its frightening the ideas people have. the generalizations and assumptions. but hey...that's what makes the world go round right?

and i reread the old post, and I gotta disagree w/your last comments. If she isn't honest with her number, she's not happy with it. I've come to the conclusion that most any number you give a man, he's unhappy with. its either too many or too little....so its just a matter of how that lady feels about herself....

 
At April 14, 2007 11:24 AM, Blogger owen said...

yeah the 27-28 region is prime breeding ground. But I men 100 women what the hell is he looking for. I always had the the view that I could date and marry ANY random woman as long as she was about at or above average looks&personality. He must have been killing so really ugly women or is just a pro-dater.

 
At April 14, 2007 11:43 AM, Blogger SimplEnigma said...

LOL @ "Negro please"

@16: I'm a work my way backwards with this one.
1. I find it interesting that I can go on sooo many failed dates and maintain a positive attitude - even be called a sucker - but the minute I speak my mind (and it's chastising a man) I'm jaded. That's hilarious.

2. I also don't agree that everyone lies about their number of partners, nor that it should be accepted as a wash. I have NEVER lied to a dude about the number of men I've slept with; be it good or bad, I EARNED everyone of those. I know many people, both male and female who feel the same way.

3. I think it's both; he has definitely allowed his success to go to his head. Women wouldn't know about his success in a week, unless he talks about it, no?

4. As I said in the entry, they deserve each other. A woman who would sleep with a dude in a week, deserve the type of dude who would sleep with 80+ women. My point was that those aren't the type of women he'll want to marry; the women he'll want to marry (i.e. the ones with less numbers) probably won't want HIM.

5. I hardly think you can compare my standards with this dude's. Yes, it's ok to have preferences and standards. The difference is, I have dated chubby - no, fat - dudes and probably would date a chubby dude again if I liked him, despite my jokes about it. But I'm not looking for criteria in a dude that I don't possess myself. And that's the major difference.

That was my point with this whole scenario - him basing his standards on qualities he does not have.

 
At April 14, 2007 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

C'mon now.

1. "Enigma, you do sound an incy wincy bit jaded in this one." *smile* Compliments are like criticisms: they are both opinions.

3. Personally, I don't like telling people what I do. However, you will either have to lie or disclose that within a few days. That's one of the first questions that gets asked. He doesn't have to volunteer that piece of info.

5. Standards, preferences; that split hair exposed no major difference. Semantics, merely.

 
At April 14, 2007 4:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. There's no end in sight to the battle of the sexes, is there?

I have a feeling that I'm going to meet my Prince this year :)

 
At April 14, 2007 6:16 PM, Blogger SimplEnigma said...

@16%

1. Yes, I saw the "in this one". Why must I be jaded because I think the dude is full of shit? Why can't I simply be disagreeing with his behavior? How is my response different from Say Yeah's take?

LOL...Are you, perchance, suggesting that I can take compliments but not criticisms?

5. I think you've spectacularly missed the point. I was using both words interchangeably; I was saying you can't compare my standard/preference/whatever you want to call it with anything that dude does, simply because my standards/preferences/whatever you want to call it is based on qualities I possess; his aren't.

@ Gela, your prince-prince, or Prince, the artist with the perm, spandex and platform shoes? LOL. I've had enough of princes...I'm tryna find me a frog.

 
At April 16, 2007 2:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to hear how he reacts to the girl that makes him get tested first!

 
At April 16, 2007 6:09 AM, Blogger Madam DLBG said...

so interesting, but seems to be nothing new to me. i've heard this 'philosophy" before,a nd various other concerning the different mentalities between the 20 an d30 women age groups and their approach to dating. Brother man needs to get his life together...he's too old to be that dumb!

 
At April 17, 2007 3:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do people really "ask" how many men/women you have slept with?!!! I thought that was a teeeeny thing. Fact is, any man who had asked me that question, I would instantly know he has insecurities that I may not be able to see and way too immature for ME!! I would NEVER ask that. You may pick up things from conversations you have, but the bottom line: Is this person at the level of maturity to give the REAL love I need and can accept? Can I respect and love this person for who I see now? Am I being discerning enough to understand the person in front of me is the person I will love and not the person they may have been 5 years ago? If you have difficulty with the last part especially - NEXT!!! Anybody ask me that question, I already know to step!!

 
At April 17, 2007 9:05 PM, Blogger QueenBea said...

@crankyputz thanks for the info about the Bay street men..I'll steer clear of Schmooze lol

 
At April 18, 2007 12:14 PM, Blogger SimplEnigma said...

LOL @ Des...I don't know if he'll ever encounter that type of woman. Such men are adept at selecting women who will meet their demands with little objection. I suspect that's one of the reasons he's into younger women - because of their perceived naivete.

@Dutchpot, I ask. And IMO, it's not an insecure question, but an informed one. I think you can learn a lot about a person based on their sexual choices and patterns. It may be ignorant, but I'm not the sort of person who could be with someone who's had many one night stands, threesomes and the like in their past. The need for those things doesn't magically disappear with time, so who's to say that the person might not want those things again in the future. A headache I'd rather not deal with.

 

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